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		<title>By: real data for a change</title>
		<link>http://www.thatdanny.com/2008/09/13/save-the-planet-no-more-directories-and-no-more-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-2412</link>
		<dc:creator>real data for a change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, really.

I used to work for a local directory, as the Internet Yellow Pages Manager (why I have done the research).  I don&#039;t work there any more.  Still, my work history doesn&#039;t change the facts.  Phonebooks are not the evil everyone wants to make them out to be, and the internet is not as clean as it seems.  

By the way, it wasn&#039;t Yellow Pages, it was The Black Book from Hagadone Directories, www.blackphonebook.com

If you make me reveal myself, you&#039;ll have to deal with the shameless plugs, um, for my former employer (so what&#039;s in it for me?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad, really.</p>
<p>I used to work for a local directory, as the Internet Yellow Pages Manager (why I have done the research).  I don&#8217;t work there any more.  Still, my work history doesn&#8217;t change the facts.  Phonebooks are not the evil everyone wants to make them out to be, and the internet is not as clean as it seems.  </p>
<p>By the way, it wasn&#8217;t Yellow Pages, it was The Black Book from Hagadone Directories, <a href="http://www.blackphonebook.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blackphonebook.com</a></p>
<p>If you make me reveal myself, you&#8217;ll have to deal with the shameless plugs, um, for my former employer (so what&#8217;s in it for me?)</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It won&#039;t work. Yellow pages will die out anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It won&#8217;t work. Yellow pages will die out anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.thatdanny.com/2008/09/13/save-the-planet-no-more-directories-and-no-more-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-2410</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 16:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to avoid doubt, I checked, and the person who posted the above comment forgot to say that she works for Yellow Pages. I&#039;m sure it wasn&#039;t intentional...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to avoid doubt, I checked, and the person who posted the above comment forgot to say that she works for Yellow Pages. I&#8217;m sure it wasn&#8217;t intentional&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: real data for a change</title>
		<link>http://www.thatdanny.com/2008/09/13/save-the-planet-no-more-directories-and-no-more-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-2407</link>
		<dc:creator>real data for a change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 21:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to think the same thing...until I actually did some research.

The EPA Facts and Figures Report breaks down numbers for production, recycling and trash.  What blew my mind - and lost me a bet - are these numbers:

1. 650 Thousand Tons of Phonebooks are generated in the US each year.  36.9% is recycled (and from another source: 50-100% of a new phonebook is made from pre- and post-consumer recycled materials and green inks and dyes in the first place)

2. 3.16 Million Tons of E-Waste (computers, smart phones, etc) are generated in the US each year.  Only 13.6% is recycled. (and the contents of e-waste are a lot more toxic to the environment).  

At least, if a phonebook is sitting around for too long in the wet it turns back into mulch - an old computer will just leach chemicals.  I literally mulched my garden with last year&#039;s phonebook.  Plus, not having one is sort of short-sighted.  When my power went out in an ice storm I was reeeealy glad I had a phonebook (and a land line).

I did the math.  You should see the numbers for junkmail and disposable diapers - MUCH worse than phonebooks (for some reason, 0% of Pampers are recycled... I wonder why ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think the same thing&#8230;until I actually did some research.</p>
<p>The EPA Facts and Figures Report breaks down numbers for production, recycling and trash.  What blew my mind &#8211; and lost me a bet &#8211; are these numbers:</p>
<p>1. 650 Thousand Tons of Phonebooks are generated in the US each year.  36.9% is recycled (and from another source: 50-100% of a new phonebook is made from pre- and post-consumer recycled materials and green inks and dyes in the first place)</p>
<p>2. 3.16 Million Tons of E-Waste (computers, smart phones, etc) are generated in the US each year.  Only 13.6% is recycled. (and the contents of e-waste are a lot more toxic to the environment).  </p>
<p>At least, if a phonebook is sitting around for too long in the wet it turns back into mulch &#8211; an old computer will just leach chemicals.  I literally mulched my garden with last year&#8217;s phonebook.  Plus, not having one is sort of short-sighted.  When my power went out in an ice storm I was reeeealy glad I had a phonebook (and a land line).</p>
<p>I did the math.  You should see the numbers for junkmail and disposable diapers &#8211; MUCH worse than phonebooks (for some reason, 0% of Pampers are recycled&#8230; I wonder why ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Silver Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Silver Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late coming across your blog post on this subject, but I thought I&#039;d comment about the later commentator who stated that yellow pages were referenced &quot;14 billion times&quot;.

I&#039;ve shown that that number is quite likely far over estimated in my article about &lt;a href=&quot;http://searchengineland.com/yellow-pages-usage-stats-are-likely-wrong-14466&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;yellow pages statistics&lt;/a&gt; last year. 

The YP industry&#039;s statistics were based on surveying a sample group which left out a large and growing demographic, mobile-phone-only households. The mobile-only household demographic are also quite likely to be younger consumers who are also earlier adopters of technology -- the people far less likely to use yellow pages printed books at all. 

From the sample group, the industry multiplies up based on overall population to come up with the 14 billion references number -- since this is basically an estimate based on a relatively small sample group, the estimated error rate is already high. Coupled with missing a very large consumer demographic, we can be pretty certain that the number of references cited is significantly overestimated: yellow pages last year were used less than the year before and considerably less than previous years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late coming across your blog post on this subject, but I thought I&#8217;d comment about the later commentator who stated that yellow pages were referenced &#8220;14 billion times&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve shown that that number is quite likely far over estimated in my article about <a href="http://searchengineland.com/yellow-pages-usage-stats-are-likely-wrong-14466" rel="nofollow">yellow pages statistics</a> last year. </p>
<p>The YP industry&#8217;s statistics were based on surveying a sample group which left out a large and growing demographic, mobile-phone-only households. The mobile-only household demographic are also quite likely to be younger consumers who are also earlier adopters of technology &#8212; the people far less likely to use yellow pages printed books at all. </p>
<p>From the sample group, the industry multiplies up based on overall population to come up with the 14 billion references number &#8212; since this is basically an estimate based on a relatively small sample group, the estimated error rate is already high. Coupled with missing a very large consumer demographic, we can be pretty certain that the number of references cited is significantly overestimated: yellow pages last year were used less than the year before and considerably less than previous years.</p>
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		<title>By: All Things Eco Blog Carnival Volume Twenty Seven &#124; Focus Organic.com</title>
		<link>http://www.thatdanny.com/2008/09/13/save-the-planet-no-more-directories-and-no-more-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>All Things Eco Blog Carnival Volume Twenty Seven &#124; Focus Organic.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for Financial Prosperity. Jim says, &quot;A recap of the 2009 energy tax credits.&quot; Danny Dagan presents Save the planet: No More Directories and No More Yellow Pages! &#124; That Danny! posted at That Danny!. Includes an interesting response from &quot;The voice of the Yellow Pages [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for Financial Prosperity. Jim says, &#8220;A recap of the 2009 energy tax credits.&#8221; Danny Dagan presents Save the planet: No More Directories and No More Yellow Pages! | That Danny! posted at That Danny!. Includes an interesting response from &#8220;The voice of the Yellow Pages [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://www.thatdanny.com/2008/09/13/save-the-planet-no-more-directories-and-no-more-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment and forgive me for questioning your response. As you state, you work for the Association. 

According to its own website:

1. Yellow Pages Association® (YPA®) is the largest trade organization of a print and digital media industry valued at more than $31 billion worldwide.

and:

2. The mission of YPA is to LEAD, SERVE, GROW and ADVOCATE for the Yellow Pages Industry.

I&#039;ll let the readers connect the dots.

I can, however, congratulate you for being so on the ball PR-wise, and commenting on blogs so quickly to defend your industry. And, of course, I don&#039;t blame you for doing your job well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment and forgive me for questioning your response. As you state, you work for the Association. </p>
<p>According to its own website:</p>
<p>1. Yellow Pages Association® (YPA®) is the largest trade organization of a print and digital media industry valued at more than $31 billion worldwide.</p>
<p>and:</p>
<p>2. The mission of YPA is to LEAD, SERVE, GROW and ADVOCATE for the Yellow Pages Industry.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let the readers connect the dots.</p>
<p>I can, however, congratulate you for being so on the ball PR-wise, and commenting on blogs so quickly to defend your industry. And, of course, I don&#8217;t blame you for doing your job well.</p>
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		<title>By: SHobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we find is that it isn&#039;t an either/or situation.  Don&#039;t assume your search habits are representative of anyone but yourself.  Lots of people use both and many people don&#039;t have access to the Internet during their work day.  Propaganda?  Not so much.  Just some facts, go to www.ypassociation.org.  
FYI, the best way to opt-out is to go directly to the publisher either via their site or by phone.  
And maps, coupons, etc. ARE available in the online Yellow Pages - SuperPages.com, YellowPages.com to name two.  But your readers probably know that. Full disclosure, I work for the Association.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we find is that it isn&#8217;t an either/or situation.  Don&#8217;t assume your search habits are representative of anyone but yourself.  Lots of people use both and many people don&#8217;t have access to the Internet during their work day.  Propaganda?  Not so much.  Just some facts, go to <a href="http://www.ypassociation.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.ypassociation.org</a>.<br />
FYI, the best way to opt-out is to go directly to the publisher either via their site or by phone.<br />
And maps, coupons, etc. ARE available in the online Yellow Pages &#8211; SuperPages.com, YellowPages.com to name two.  But your readers probably know that. Full disclosure, I work for the Association.</p>
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